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He was not welcoming and we thought what our bad luck. Told him about Saptarishis Astrology Magazine and our intention of removing rare astrologers out in the open. He asked who all were writing for the mag and we dished out names, he was assessing us we knew.

Then slowly he started talking saying that his name was Dr. Agnihotari and he is just a Brahmachari renunciate with students living with him. He said in olden days Rahu Ketu nodes was not used much giving reference of him having seen some manuscripts of Vashista Samhita where he could not find mention of nodes at all. Then he quoted a verse from Parasara which is a googly to all astrologers, he explained the secret behind it but we were unable to grasp.

Then he said 'Beta, Navamsa bahut mahatvapurna hain' - 'Son, Navamsa 9 harmonic is very important'. He said No he gives most importance to it, we said yes, he repeated it again. Now was the turning point in the conversation as we were only thinking that he being a Sanyasi is telling what all astrologers in India repeat so nothing new.

So we asked him the toughest question 'Sir, how does one use Navamsa'. He said 'Just use it'. But Sir, how exactly to use it, he said just use it as 'The Only Chart'. We said which means when we see D9 Navamsa use it containing 12 different houses and the significations the same as the Rasi Chart Di-i s harmonic.

He said Yes Son. Now the readers be cautioned that this is not followed in India and often astrologers spend lifetimes arguing about it without folio wing the Nike Advice of 'Just Do It'. We said to him but Sir we have already experimented with this method since last 2 yrs without having confidence in it, he said do you want to know how many decades I have used it with successful predictions.

The Sanyasi replied Why should you be unsure, can't you see the face of the man standing in front of you who has come for consultation. We replied, Sir it is not so easy to do so as we are not that experienced. He said use it ioos of times then we would get mastery.

Still the city intellectual attitude of speaking so freely in front of a Sanyasi was within us and our experience had shown us that just using the Navamsa ignoring the Rasi Chart does work in practice but at times fails miserably. So we argued further with the Sanyasi saying that what happens when the Navamsa chart does not work, he said it works always.

We said no it does not, he said yes it does, this went on and on and we felt ohh now he is going to kick us out. But then Sir, what is the basis of all these divisional charts, scholars spend life times either saying not to use it here in India and other scholars say use it but not to forget the Di Rasi Chart.

He said how can you intellectuals be so foolish raised his voice , the Ascendant in Di stays there for He added the worst is using Chandra Kundali keeping moon as ascendant practice of Indian astrologers, how can you use it knowing that for 2 days the moon is not going to change signs, so will all those who are born in 2 days have the same fate.

We realize this is very controversial though logical statement from him, as the whole of India uses Moon Ascendant created horoscope along with the main horoscope. He said lets be rational and not go by herd mentality, if all your techniques followed over centuries were correct you all would never have failed in a single prediction. He said use logic and rationality, atleast start with the Navamsa horoscope only, the ascendant of which changes roughly every 13 minutes. Atleast, only few people will be born in that window.

He said he is getting late and has to go out and he would accompany us to the road. While walking together we ensured that he is 1 step ahead of us mark of respect we asked him to write for the magazine, he said he will think on it as earlier when he wrote then lot of people come to him for consultation and then he does not get time to do meditation.

We agreed with him hoping that he would write and then asked him 'The Tricky Question'. Sir, we know still many come to you for consultation, so how much do you charge for your readings. His reply did not even take a second; he said 'The consulter has come 'Only' to take something from me help for problem in life so how can I take from him anything.

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He has come to take and not give. When we shared it with Norah Nasturs of this magazine 2 yrs back she said ohh it it is Profections. She being Spanish and there being communication gap between us we replied to this genius 5 of 4 Nadis are mainly texts mainly written thousands of years back by a Rishi Higher Sage though some of it is just few hundred years old some say. Regarding dating of chandrakala nadi it has not been found so far.

We foolishly ignored her for z yrs until in last issue she created that article on US Elections, this technique was from an astrologer in the i6 t century in France. This same method we shared it with our Guru Bhai students of same guru Shri Bhadoriya when we visited Ahmadabad. He ignored it for a year until this year when we visited him again and told him about Agnihotri Maharaj and Dwadasamsha Story, he then said 'Ohh here in Ahmadabad there is Pramod Bhavasar whose guru was Nanubhai who during Britisher's regime, threw a bomb and had to flee.

We knew this was gold mine and asked him first 'Is Mr. Bhavasar a good human being'.

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He said yes he is humble and non-egoistic, instantly we said we got to meet him anyhow. During the whole day we could not get to contact him due to some reason or the other. Then we did mental horary around 7 pm and got him on phone and he was willing to meet us. Here in a dark lane of old Ahmadabad he stayed in a old house which had very steep 3 stories within the house which looked impoverished but when we met Mr. Bhavasar he was quiet, non voice raising, senses in control, no ego - all marks of a astrologer as described by our ancients in our books, but most importantly he had the mark of Blessings from the Rishis, which is he taught us the whole method instantly without any hang-ups or Chapal Gisayin as it is called in Mumbai slang.

He like us does not use dasa to time events. This method resembled our Chandrakala Nadi Progression method except it was called Padma Chakra and he embedded Dwadasamsha in it which we were not doing. Another deviation from our method is he uses days for a year whereas we use days for a year method. Though we find ours more suitable but can we be foolish to ignore his method which his guru learnt from a yogi. As we walked out, we asked Bhadoriya is he now convinced of the method he said yes, then why didn't he test it one year back, he laughingly replied 'If you had a white beard or was famous then I would not have taken your words lightly ha ha'.

Lastly, as it is seen on net forums we spend lifetimes arguing if divisional charts have aspects or not or if we can use it independently or not, but the best way is 'The Nike Way' which is 'Just Do It' and see. As there are some old timers like Mr.

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Bhatt from Ahmadabad, a yogi looking old man who walks only barefoot, also a student of C. Patel who uses only Prati Navamsa to predict and was the only man who predicted to Mr. Patel that he would go to America 2 years before the event. Patel had then replied 'Aree Baba slang I am 80 past who will take me to America'. Patel was wrong whereas his student's conviction in Prati Navamsa was bang on as history tells us.

So if you like it use it or throw it but don't waste your energy on fighting as Patel would often lovingly tell us. Astrologers in India do not like to give out their methods instantly unless they ensure that you serve them like dogs, earlier in olden times it was used by Guru to test the sincerity of a student but now it has become more of satisfying ones ego for astrologers. There is not a reader of Indian Astrology books in English who has not his books and marveled at the brilliance of this man.

By Gandhi, bent at the shoulder, thin, cute, wearing a loin cloth like Gandhi and like Gandhi would refuse to tell a lie always repeating that if one does not tell a lie then his predictive powers increase, if one does not gossip and malice others then his predictive powers will increase manifold. He never had time to talk anything else, the moment you entered his door, he would not ask you how you are, the first thing he would say come sit and hear this new method I am experimenting with, always sharing and sharing. A pity today's generation could not learn this trait from him of sharing even though we youngsters like to deride the older generation of being non-modern, non-sharing and non-open minded.

When we met him we saw an old man of nearly 88 years of age average Indian longevity is around 65 living a lonely life and not in the best of conditions. Our heart went to him. Hemant to return that Rs 1 arguing that we can't keep even someone's change.

Unfortunately though he was very famous and at one time rich, no one from the astrological community came for help in his later years of his life where he would have welcomed any support. It was like injustice to this great sage who had given generations of astrologers pearls of knowledge they could never have laid hands on since Patel possessed many rare texts, he had indirectly fed the households of s of astrologers in India through his techniques.

When Patel learnt this, tears rolled down his eyes. Everyone in the astrological community knew this but not a single organization came forward to support his cause. Incidentally it is years later those heads of organizations who did not come forward themselves became targets of plagiarisms against their own work - thus the hands of karma delivers. In 90s his books on Nadi Astrology was 7 In India, the trend still continues today of not sharing ones knowledge. Infact many do it to hide ones inadequacies while creating an external image by sharing half methods so that one's market value increases.

They do it under the garb of oath etc. What we write below has given us sleepless nights pondering over the decision whether to write it or not, whether to be the goody goody publisher or stand for the truth and for an old man whom we saw suffer literally every day for years. Finally we decided it's better to go against publishing norms and so called etiquettes but at least voice it even though all publishers of magazines till date have not done so, in spite of knowing the full story.

He gazed for long time at us, maybe thinking if we already knew the reason and if we were testing him. He then asked us to get the copy of one of his classic books published in s which made a reference to one of his forthcoming publication on horary prashna but was not published until the time we met.

On inquiring about the reason for not publication we learnt that one of the astrologer-cum-publisher had actually stopped him from publishing the book for his own selfish gains, and that Patelsaheb as a modest person who had high regard for any person always became the victim of the selfish motives of the people who approached him. We knew in olden days only one or two publishing houses were there so if one is victim of publishing politics then one can't do much.

We were speechless when we learnt the height of his modesty when instead of complaining or fighting for his right, he chose to say "God did not want me to bring out the Classic hence whatever happened, happened". It was due to the scheming of some astrologers that Patel was not able to bring out the translation of an ancient horary classic out, nor did he ever use Horary for his predictions, one of the most important tools for prediction.

We realized that the whole episode was so painful for him that it took 40 years for him to write another book about his various works, on the insistence of some of his well- wishers including the famous Late V. Iyer who wanted a book to come out containing all his articles. Again he faced the same opposition but this time Late Iyer was a god-sent person for his rescue.

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